Originally Posted by William A. Baurle
j wrote: We agree. I just don't see how you can equate radical socialism with state gangsterism. They seem like opposites to me.
Me: Well, my argument is, that radical socialism - becomes state gangsterism. Do you follow me?
As a caveat, in the interest of understanding: socialism CAN work, on a
small, non-industrial scale. Tribes all over the world, long dead and
still extant, exist(ed) in a condition of necessary and obligatory
socialism. But on a large scale, when you bring in industrialization,
commercial trade, infrastructure, etc, etc, it begins to be untenable.
Work farms and cooperative communities of like-minded people can and do exist, but on the macro scale, when you have vast, quickly multiplying numbers, all of whom need food and shelter and the necessities, the dream of genuine, heartfelt socialism has been shown to be ineffective, and in fact, almost criminally ineffective, and it always comes down to the susceptibility of those in power to corruption: human nature. If you take the Native American tribes just as one example: there was no such thing, relatively speaking, as a "rich" Indian. There was leadership and scales of power, but they were manageable, and the harshness of mere survival kept heads straight, and without delusions of grandeur, by and large.
We all want what is best for people and critters, hairy and hairless. We just have different visions about how that is to come about.
Peace!
Work farms and cooperative communities of like-minded people can and do exist, but on the macro scale, when you have vast, quickly multiplying numbers, all of whom need food and shelter and the necessities, the dream of genuine, heartfelt socialism has been shown to be ineffective, and in fact, almost criminally ineffective, and it always comes down to the susceptibility of those in power to corruption: human nature. If you take the Native American tribes just as one example: there was no such thing, relatively speaking, as a "rich" Indian. There was leadership and scales of power, but they were manageable, and the harshness of mere survival kept heads straight, and without delusions of grandeur, by and large.
We all want what is best for people and critters, hairy and hairless. We just have different visions about how that is to come about.
Peace!
4.30.17
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